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in syria, meanwhile, rebels continue to advance on damascus, prompting concern that president assad's regime will respond with chemical weapons. question, should the u.s. intervene in any of these here now is mark ginsburg, former white house middle east advisor. welcome back, mark. here's the thing. we drew a red line, president obama drew a red line over these chemical weapons of mass destruction. at what point do we have to start bombing them to prevent them from moving and utilizes those weapons of mass destruction? when's that happen? >> larry, the fact of the matter is that i already know some of those weapons have been moved and put into the hands of the iranian revolutionary guards operating in syria and also i believe some of it has been sold to hezbollah. so as far as i'm concerned, there's some of that red line that's been crossed. but to answer your question, the fact remains is that if the intelligence report says, as the president and the press reports are leading us to believe, that precursors have been loaded into those shells, somehow or another we're going to have to
in syria, meanwhile, rebels continue to advance on damascus, prompting concern that president assad's regime will respond with chemical weapons. question, should the u.s. intervene in any of these here now is mark ginsburg, former white house middle east advisor. welcome back, mark. here's the thing. we drew a red line, president obama drew a red line over these chemical weapons of mass destruction. at what point do we have to start bombing them to prevent them from moving and utilizes those...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. republicans blocked it with their vote. you might ask, why would they do that? you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting
assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessnt of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while lawmakers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. it's modeled on the americans with disabilities act. 38 republican senators blocked it with their votes. you might ask, why would they do that? we'll tell you, ahead. >>> an arrest of a death of a new york man pushed on the tracks and killed by a subway, tonight on "360" i'll talk to another man who jumped on the tracks once and saved a man's life three years ago. he says all the criticism for those who didn't help this
assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessnt of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while...
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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but keep in mind this -- because it's odorless and tasteless and very hard to detect, you have to get out of area and also because you can get poisoned again by ingestion and inhaling or simply touching it, it can be on the clothes, the clothes could be a vehicle so you get out of the way. you take off your clothes or anything that may have been exposed to it, soap and water, rinse your body as much as also. one thing is it's a heavier gas compared to that what's in that area and lingers closer to the ground and getting to higher elevation can help. it sounds simplistic but short of a medic
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but...
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reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact syria had begun mixing chemical weapons and that would be done to create sarin for weapons in the future. they say there was no sign that the syrian officials were going to do anything with those weapons any time soon. important to remember that. also important to remember that the syrian regime has said yet again today that they have no intention of doing anything with chemical weapons of utilizing them against the syrian people and they also said today that any type of foreign military intervention in syria would be catastrophic for the region. >> let me ask you. you are in lebanon and that's
reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact...
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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds simplistic. because it's odorless and tasteless and hard to detect, you have to get out of the area. you can get poisoned by ingestion and inhaling and touching it. it can be on your clothes, for example. you get out of the way and take off your clothes or anything exposed to it. soap and water and try to rinse your body. it's a heavier gas as compared to what else is in the area, so it lingers closer to the ground. getting to higher elevation can help. these sound like simplistic things but short of a medication given right away, there's not much else to do. >> it's really scary stuff
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds...
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if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think. >>> let's move quickly to egypt. a lot of difficult scenarios there developing, with president morsi, apparently, showing a few traits of mubarak, with the executive orders he's giving himself. did he need to do this? and what is the fallout going to be here? the big protests all through cairo are the eruptions in egypt. >> he blew it. first of all, the grab for power from the judges. he compounded that today, by allowing his people, the muslim brotherhood to go out and crack heads. several people appear to have been killed. he's made things worse for himself. but that said, this is the first
if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think....
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will assad do this as a last hoorah. and what will america do if it comes to it? >> i don't think we're being duped by the administration. there's a difference from 2003 in iraq. and the bush administration was eager to go into iraq. these days, the last thing the obama administration wants to do is go into iraq. in terms of will syria actually use them? i don't think we have any idea. what we do know, is they're not useful militarily. they're helpful in an negotiation, about getting them out. it's hard to see how they advance his cause. >> assad would face complete obliteration if he does this. and some say he wants asylum in venezuela or whatever. he's not a stupid man. why would he risk the wrath of the world ascending on him? >> it's hard to see how this advances his cause, except as part of the negotiation. if you're trying to get a better deal for your family, then, maybe it's useful. >> would this create an internal coup, with his background? i don't know how sane he is or not, and what he's done. he's killing his own people. he's butchering his own people.
will assad do this as a last hoorah. and what will america do if it comes to it? >> i don't think we're being duped by the administration. there's a difference from 2003 in iraq. and the bush administration was eager to go into iraq. these days, the last thing the obama administration wants to do is go into iraq. in terms of will syria actually use them? i don't think we have any idea. what we do know, is they're not useful militarily. they're helpful in an negotiation, about getting them...
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how do we know that bashar al assad isn't doing the same thing right now? how do we know that the intelligence that the u.s., the international community is getting is really accurate that there are wmd stockpiles, weapons of mass destruction, sarin gas, mustard gas, in syrian? >> wolf, the key thing right now is that if assad is putting up a front, we're not going to know that unless we have good solid human intelligence on the ground. and that begins with interrogations of the key personnel that are involved, the scientists, research and development community, the military leaders, the commanders, that as fran indicated would give the directives to pull the triggers. those guys have to be rounded up. and you have to conduct interrogations. that's very tough. that's kind of basic intelligence work. and it doesn't start until you get on the ground and you start interrogating those guys. >> there's always concern. i remember there was a guy named curve ball providing the u.s. information supposedly about saddam hussein's wmd. >> it was one source. >> but he
how do we know that bashar al assad isn't doing the same thing right now? how do we know that the intelligence that the u.s., the international community is getting is really accurate that there are wmd stockpiles, weapons of mass destruction, sarin gas, mustard gas, in syrian? >> wolf, the key thing right now is that if assad is putting up a front, we're not going to know that unless we have good solid human intelligence on the ground. and that begins with interrogations of the key...
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clinton noted growing concerns that syrian president basha al assad may use chemical weapons on his own people. mohammed jamjoom joins us with that part of the story. >> reporter: state officials have said they believe syrians are loading chemical weapons, precursors for sarin, a deadly nerve gas on to aerial bomb that is could be dropped on the syrian people. monday cnn reported that u.s. officials believed that the syrians had begun mixing chemicals that could be used to weaponize sarin, but there were no signs that the syrian regime was going to do anything with those weapons. they maintain yet again today that they have no intention of using chemical weapons in syria. carol? >> mohammed jamjoom in beirut this morning. >>> sad ending for a month-long search of two missing cousins. the bodies of 8-year-old elizabeth collins and 10-year-old lyric cook were found by hunters in the wooded area. the two girls have been missing since july. jim spellman has been following the story since lyric and elizabeth went missing. you know, i know the families were hopeful till the end. what a sadden
clinton noted growing concerns that syrian president basha al assad may use chemical weapons on his own people. mohammed jamjoom joins us with that part of the story. >> reporter: state officials have said they believe syrians are loading chemical weapons, precursors for sarin, a deadly nerve gas on to aerial bomb that is could be dropped on the syrian people. monday cnn reported that u.s. officials believed that the syrians had begun mixing chemicals that could be used to weaponize...
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is the assad regime responsible for this? what's going on? >> reporter: well, the opposition members we're with are saying the government is the entity that shut down the internet even though we have not seen anything as widespread as this blackout we're hearing about right now. they say the government does this to prevent activists from communicating to one another, from getting information out, from uploading their videos but also to prevent the rebel fighting units from communicating to one another as well. i can tell you that where i am right now in northern syria, there is no power, no cell phone service and even the land lines are not functioning at this point. of course, it makes it incredibly difficult not just when it comes to communications but also the lack of power. it is winter, it is freezing cold right now and most people are unable to heat their homes. >> there are also reports as you know that assad's forces have been fiercely shelling aleppo. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, we were driving past outskirts
is the assad regime responsible for this? what's going on? >> reporter: well, the opposition members we're with are saying the government is the entity that shut down the internet even though we have not seen anything as widespread as this blackout we're hearing about right now. they say the government does this to prevent activists from communicating to one another, from getting information out, from uploading their videos but also to prevent the rebel fighting units from communicating...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while lawmakers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. it's modeled on the americans with disabilities act. republicans blocked it with their vote. you might ask, why would they do that? we'll tell you, ahead. i love to eat. i love hanging out with my friends. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super
assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while lawmakers have been battling...
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you have been to aleppo, where the assad regime has a chemical weapons plant. let's get perspective from the ground and start with the regime. what is it saying about this new u.s. intelligence and now new warnings from the united states all the way up to president obama about a red line on the use of chemical weapons? >> well, the regime has historically denied that it would use any sort of chemical weapons against its own population, but that is something of an empty promise, at least from the perspective of everyone we have been speaking to about this. many of those fighters that we talked on the ground do say they do believe the greater the stranglehold they have on regime forces in the city of aleppo grows, the greater the likelihood is that in a desperate attempt to somehow either regain control or wreak mass havoc on the population, the regime would not hesitate when it comes to employing these types of weapons. and of course, when it does come to chemical warfare, there is very little if anything anyone here can do to protect themselves against that. >>
you have been to aleppo, where the assad regime has a chemical weapons plant. let's get perspective from the ground and start with the regime. what is it saying about this new u.s. intelligence and now new warnings from the united states all the way up to president obama about a red line on the use of chemical weapons? >> well, the regime has historically denied that it would use any sort of chemical weapons against its own population, but that is something of an empty promise, at least...
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he said he had a message to assad and those around him. is that a message about future potential war crimes prosecutions or is it a message trying to encourage those around him to maybe get out of town, defect? >> well, i think it is -- it's sort of both to those around him, you know. you can stand with him and run the risk of being prosecuted or killed in a conflict, or you can turn but i think it's also a message not simply to the syrians around assad, i think it is also a subtler message to the iranian regime that is clearly continuing to support assad with weapons and training and advice, though i think it's both to those immediately around him and to iran. >> bob, given the iraq history, there could be some skepticism starts talking about intelligence, weapons of mass destruction. but there are multiple sources of intelligence in this indication. how serious is this threat, the fact they're actually possibly mixing the chemical agents? >> oh, this is deadly serious. on iraq, a lot of it was hypothesis before we went in 2003, as the bu
he said he had a message to assad and those around him. is that a message about future potential war crimes prosecutions or is it a message trying to encourage those around him to maybe get out of town, defect? >> well, i think it is -- it's sort of both to those around him, you know. you can stand with him and run the risk of being prosecuted or killed in a conflict, or you can turn but i think it's also a message not simply to the syrians around assad, i think it is also a subtler...
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and does this mean the end is near for bashar al assad? >> i don't think anybody can say the end is near for bashar al assad. he's got a lot of tanks, a lot of aircraft, a lot of firepower. what we're seeing from the united states is more of a concern that events are moving very swiftly on the ground. the u.s. wants to be able, at the end of all of this to have some influence, some input into what comes next there. not having supplied any arms up to this point, they don't have much influence. they're beginning to wonder, do we need to have more and how do we get it? they're still very concerned who are the rebels, who do they represent, are these al qaeda forces, we don't want our arms falling into the wrong hands. that's a paramount concern for washington. >> this guy's the best. thank you, jim clancy. appreciate it, shirt. >>> shocking numbers to tell you about, 25,000 people missing in mexico. up next, details on how these missing person cases are being linked to the drug cartels there. make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i w
and does this mean the end is near for bashar al assad? >> i don't think anybody can say the end is near for bashar al assad. he's got a lot of tanks, a lot of aircraft, a lot of firepower. what we're seeing from the united states is more of a concern that events are moving very swiftly on the ground. the u.s. wants to be able, at the end of all of this to have some influence, some input into what comes next there. not having supplied any arms up to this point, they don't have much...
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officials tell us they hasten to add they don't believe assad -- bashar al assad has made the final decision to go ahead with a strike, but that that's what these preparations could be aimed towards and they also acknowledge they honestly just don't know what he's up to, a lot of diplomacy behind the scenes. we saw hillary clinton come out in public earlier today and, again, warned the syrian regime not to do this. this is a very serious development. until now we have not seen this step with syria's chemical companies stockpile. brooke? >> it is a tremendous development and we'll wait to see what the u.s. response is, be it verbal or an action. barbara starr, thank you. we'll have much more with hala gorani momentarily. we're at the top of the hour. i'm brooke more breaking news here from capitol hill, 29 days until the fiscal cliff hit and we're now hearing it sounds like from republicans dana bash, our senior congressional correspondent, live for me, right now on capitol hill. what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right, brooke. we have breaking news. the house republicans have sent a
officials tell us they hasten to add they don't believe assad -- bashar al assad has made the final decision to go ahead with a strike, but that that's what these preparations could be aimed towards and they also acknowledge they honestly just don't know what he's up to, a lot of diplomacy behind the scenes. we saw hillary clinton come out in public earlier today and, again, warned the syrian regime not to do this. this is a very serious development. until now we have not seen this step with...
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her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she's still anxious and with reason. he was shot in the arm as a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us. but i had just put my arm around her. she, just 4 years old, blinks hard, yes. she ended up drenched in her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby, a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me aside. sometimes i want to die, rather than live like this, she whispers. >> arwa damon is joining us now from northern syria. arwa, what about these reports -- you've heard the secretary of state talking about it -- that the syrian regime may be moving around their chemical weapons. if they are, that's a red line that the u.s. will have to deal with. are the rebels where you are concerned that bashar al assad's regime could use chemical weapons against them? >> reporter: they most certainly are, wolf. first of all, they believe that this regime will do just a
her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she's still anxious and with reason. he was shot in the arm as a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us. but i had just put my arm around her. she, just 4 years old, blinks hard, yes. she ended up drenched in her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby, a woman who doesn't want to be filmed...
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showing that the assad regime was mixing agents, mixing chemicals to make sarin gas. they're not telling us exactly what the evidence is, but what they are saying is they have multiple sources of intelligence. this suggests possibly some satellite imagery, some phone intercepts, maybe even some human sources on the ground giving them misinformation. >> at this point, what kind of military action might the united states be considering right now? >> when the president of the united states goes out there and makes a strong statement like he did today. >> that's commitment. >> you have to follow up it and do something. >> they're going to watch there carefully. when they see this move, they have to determine rapidly, what are assad's intentions. they're not sure about that right now. get other countries in the region, involved. don't forget, israel lies right over the border. the israelis may not be so patient and wait to see if the chemical weapons are going to be used. >> it's going to make everyone nervous. how deadly is sarin gas? >> 500 times more lethal than cyanide
showing that the assad regime was mixing agents, mixing chemicals to make sarin gas. they're not telling us exactly what the evidence is, but what they are saying is they have multiple sources of intelligence. this suggests possibly some satellite imagery, some phone intercepts, maybe even some human sources on the ground giving them misinformation. >> at this point, what kind of military action might the united states be considering right now? >> when the president of the united...
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head bandages, a voice says, this is the fate of your pilots, assad. this is not an isolated incident. in the same vicinity close to the city in a span of 24 hours rebels claim they not only brought down this fighter jet, but also, two helicopters. video posted to youtube shows a trail of smoke and a helicopter bursting in to flames but there's no way for us to confirm when and where this happened. these dramatic developments are a result of a pitched battle fought here at the 46 regiment base just over a week ago. for nearly two months hassan tells us they laid siege to the base after clearing the villages around it of assad's forces and positioning rebel snipers in the area. the final battle to take this massive base lasted 24 hours chls rebel fighters used artillery captured of another unit on the base firing in it to the building and ending the battle. for this rebel unit, there was a treasure trove of weaponry and most important of all, anti-aircraft missiles, hurgss of them. though not all functioning the fighters tell us. video posted to youtube
head bandages, a voice says, this is the fate of your pilots, assad. this is not an isolated incident. in the same vicinity close to the city in a span of 24 hours rebels claim they not only brought down this fighter jet, but also, two helicopters. video posted to youtube shows a trail of smoke and a helicopter bursting in to flames but there's no way for us to confirm when and where this happened. these dramatic developments are a result of a pitched battle fought here at the 46 regiment base...
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concerns that the assad repeople may be cooking up recipes, mixing materials for chemicals. that possible preparation is taking place at more than one chemical plant in syria, officials say. u.s. intelligence shows nothing has been moved out of the facilities, however. and officials say there is no indication syria is on the verge of using chemical we papoweapon. in turkey monday, russian president putin called the deploy ment of the patriot missiles unnecessary. but tuesday, the russian foreign minister said any use of chemical weapons has grave implications. while down playing reports about syria. >> translator: we can call them rumors, but the syrian authorities are moving a stockpile of chemical weapons or that they want to use them. as soon as we hear such messages, we prepare. >> reporter: secretary of state hillary clinton spent the day meeting with her fellow ministers as they approved a plan to provide turkey with the missiles. nato says the number of missiles and their precise location along the border still needs to be worked out. it could be weeks before the equi
concerns that the assad repeople may be cooking up recipes, mixing materials for chemicals. that possible preparation is taking place at more than one chemical plant in syria, officials say. u.s. intelligence shows nothing has been moved out of the facilities, however. and officials say there is no indication syria is on the verge of using chemical we papoweapon. in turkey monday, russian president putin called the deploy ment of the patriot missiles unnecessary. but tuesday, the russian...
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when they see this move, they have to determine rapidly, what are assad's intentions. they're not sure about that right now. get other countries in the region, involved. don't forget, israel lies right over the border. the israelis may not be so patient and wait to see if the chemical weapons are going to be used. >> it's going to make everyone nervous. how deadly is sarin gas? >> 500 times more lethal than cyanide. without an anti-dote and there would be none available to syrian people. it could kill you within minutes. nasty business. >> barbara starr, thanks. appreciate that. troubling developments out of syria come as hillary clinton made repeated the united states position that it will not tolerate the use of chemical weapons. >> we have made our views very clear. this is a red line for the united states. >> so is the united states about to get involved in syria's 20-month-old conflict? out front tonight, bob baer, peter brooks. nice to have both of you with us. bob, what do you think when does the united states get involved? >> i think the fact they're mixing it
when they see this move, they have to determine rapidly, what are assad's intentions. they're not sure about that right now. get other countries in the region, involved. don't forget, israel lies right over the border. the israelis may not be so patient and wait to see if the chemical weapons are going to be used. >> it's going to make everyone nervous. how deadly is sarin gas? >> 500 times more lethal than cyanide. without an anti-dote and there would be none available to syrian...
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is it possible at all that this man, this mad man, bashar al assad, is bluffing? >> oh, i don't think he's bluffing. we have to consider what he represents and that's a very small community, which feels under threat. it thinks it will be destroyed by sunni fundamentalists if it loses damascus or any other big cities. they have their backs to the wall. they say among themselves that when it comes to their lives or killing the rebels they will kill the rebels. in other words, yes, they will use the sarin, i've been dealing with the people for 30 years, they're almost a cult. what seems to us completely irrational decision, they're capable of. i don't know whether they have reached this point or not, but if things get bad enough in syria, i have no dowd they'll use it. >> on this sarin gas, i was reading about it, apparently there are two key components that make this gas and they're held separately, kept separately. you mix them together, it makes for a very potent formula. what kind of damage can sarin gas inflict? >> well, if it was artillery shell were dropped in
is it possible at all that this man, this mad man, bashar al assad, is bluffing? >> oh, i don't think he's bluffing. we have to consider what he represents and that's a very small community, which feels under threat. it thinks it will be destroyed by sunni fundamentalists if it loses damascus or any other big cities. they have their backs to the wall. they say among themselves that when it comes to their lives or killing the rebels they will kill the rebels. in other words, yes, they will...
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ready to do it. >> will providing arms to the opposition convince the people who support bashar al assad in many cases because they are afraid of their own existence, or will it simply lead to more fighting? that is the question that we are considering. >> it's a crucial question. "outfront" tonight, alex, author and former reporter for the "the new york times" and seth jones. good to see you. seth, there's a lot of things we don't know about the rebels. as that point just made clear. james clapper, the director of national intelligence had warned congress that some of the attacks we've seen in syria bore the hallmarks of al qaeda. there have been atrocities committed by these rebels. there appear to be no question about that. esks executions. a new video posted yesterday showed a man filming himself while he shot ten unarmed prisoners. should we arm the rebels? >> well, i think we should arm and this is not just about arming. this discussion seems to overlook the fact that the rebels need intelligence, supplies. the challenge though is that the largest opposition movement is the free sy
ready to do it. >> will providing arms to the opposition convince the people who support bashar al assad in many cases because they are afraid of their own existence, or will it simply lead to more fighting? that is the question that we are considering. >> it's a crucial question. "outfront" tonight, alex, author and former reporter for the "the new york times" and seth jones. good to see you. seth, there's a lot of things we don't know about the rebels. as that...
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but as one rebel commander put it, the longer assad stays in power, the more powerful these groups are going to grow. that's going to become a problem that neither the syrian opposition nor the united states is -- or any other western or other nation is going to want to see materialize. given just how volatile the region already is. as long as the battle takes place. as long as the extreme fighters are the ones willing to take up arms in some cases bringing in significant amounts of money with them. that is all the opposition has to turn to. they are trying to control these groups. but they will admit they're very frustrated and disgruntled by this. these various students do not follow the rebel chain of command. they're not necessarily following orders by the syrian army. they may be trying to reign them in, they're growing more powerful by the day. >> stay safe arwa, thank you very much. she's doing an amazing job for all of us. >>> the looming fiscal cliff could force politicians to make some tough decisions. one of the hardest could involve a popular tax break enjoyed by millions o
but as one rebel commander put it, the longer assad stays in power, the more powerful these groups are going to grow. that's going to become a problem that neither the syrian opposition nor the united states is -- or any other western or other nation is going to want to see materialize. given just how volatile the region already is. as long as the battle takes place. as long as the extreme fighters are the ones willing to take up arms in some cases bringing in significant amounts of money with...
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>> well, there's a clearly defined effort to make sure that in the aftermath of the assad regime that you have a country and leadership that's dedicated to democratic principles that will recognize human rights and be able to build institutions so you can have a secure and stable government. so i think that may happen -- or those conditions may be met. but we have to make it very clear what we expect before we provide that recognition. >> do you want the u.s. and its nato allies to do in syria what it did in libya, establish a no-fly zone and make sure that the syrian regime of bashar al assad doesn't pound the rebel forces? >> we may be beyond the point where a no-fly zone would make sense. but i'd leave that to the military experts to make an assessment. i do know this. that right now unless some step is taken to degrade the syrian air force's ability to hit these opposition groups directly -- they're bombing hospitals, they're bombing civilians from the air, unless something is done to stop that, i don't think you're going to see any kind of military progress even though the opposi
>> well, there's a clearly defined effort to make sure that in the aftermath of the assad regime that you have a country and leadership that's dedicated to democratic principles that will recognize human rights and be able to build institutions so you can have a secure and stable government. so i think that may happen -- or those conditions may be met. but we have to make it very clear what we expect before we provide that recognition. >> do you want the u.s. and its nato allies to...
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and really just send a signal to assad that this will only have one outcome. the important thing here is that is to show that in the end it is a matter of time. it's -- it's when and not if. now there are also, i think, signs that for russia and china, i think they would be prepared, possibly, to look at a way you could manage an outcome of this, so that you get some form of agreement that -- >> provide asylum, we're getting him out -- >> -- but for the rest of the world, such are the consequences of this disintegration are happening, most people look at any reason to get him out, get a new form of democratic constitution in, and then try and stabilize the situation. >> i'm going to make a very sharp turn to talk about something much more joyful, which is the news of the oil baby, whose birth is impending. we know that catherine is in the hospital now. what is the -- what's it like in, in london, in great britain, with this kind of news? people must just be going insane. >> well, you know, britain loves the royal family. so, and people are very happy, very joy
and really just send a signal to assad that this will only have one outcome. the important thing here is that is to show that in the end it is a matter of time. it's -- it's when and not if. now there are also, i think, signs that for russia and china, i think they would be prepared, possibly, to look at a way you could manage an outcome of this, so that you get some form of agreement that -- >> provide asylum, we're getting him out -- >> -- but for the rest of the world, such are...
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but bashar al assad continues to deny pressure. reports say they are preparing chemical weapons components that might be used against rebel forces inside syria. chad sweet is the former director of operations with the cia, the former chief of staff with the department of homeland security. it's nice to have you with us. i should appreciate it. so the signs that i have just mentioned and kind of listed there are very ominous. not just for folks here in the united states who worry about the role of the united states, but also for people in the region and outside the region too. does this mean that we have operatives who are filling us in on what's happening with the chemical weapons components and the degree to which they are being put on to these war heads? >> it's highly likely that the combination of sources have provided this intelligence. some of it is coming from human intelligence from our spies as well as allies of the saudis and the turkish intelligence. but the bottom line is it's coming from a variety of technical means. s
but bashar al assad continues to deny pressure. reports say they are preparing chemical weapons components that might be used against rebel forces inside syria. chad sweet is the former director of operations with the cia, the former chief of staff with the department of homeland security. it's nice to have you with us. i should appreciate it. so the signs that i have just mentioned and kind of listed there are very ominous. not just for folks here in the united states who worry about the role...
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this as president obama warns syrian president bashar al assad that there will be serious consequences if he uses chemical weapons against his own weapon. >> this regime is a real problem for us. its alliance with iran, its possession of chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction. its human rights record, its support of terrorism. this is a regime we would like to get out of the way. we don't want to see it replaced with people we don't support either. >>> the syrian foreign ministry denies they have plans to use chemical weapons. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used
this as president obama warns syrian president bashar al assad that there will be serious consequences if he uses chemical weapons against his own weapon. >> this regime is a real problem for us. its alliance with iran, its possession of chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction. its human rights record, its support of terrorism. this is a regime we would like to get out of the way. we don't want to see it replaced with people we don't support either. >>> the syrian foreign...
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i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people. but suffice it to say we are certainly planning to take action if that event ality were to were occur. >>> chrysler had the best november ever. almost. the car maker says last month the best november in five years with sales up 14%. it's the 32nd consecutive month that sales have been up over the previous year. >>> in northern northern kra heavy rains soaked the bay area. >> this thing just went up fast. just went real fast. fire department was out here and got a lot of stuff, you know, away from the house and didn't float down the road and stuff but this is a worst. >> the nfl kansas city chiefs apparently plan to start a fund for a child of a player. early this morning, belcher's agent talked with cnn saying that the tragedy was troubling. >> the how and the why is the craziness of this. there was nothing in my relationship with him to indicate any troubling past, anything that troubled him that would have cause
i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people. but suffice it to say we are certainly planning to take action if that event ality were to were occur. >>> chrysler had the best november ever. almost. the car maker says last month the best november in five years with sales up 14%. it's the 32nd consecutive month that sales have been up over the previous...
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her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she is still anxious, and with reason. salah was shot a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us, but i had just put my arm around her. she just 4 years old blinks hard. yes, she ended up drenched from her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me aside. sometimes i want to die rather than live like this, she whispers. arwa damon, cnn, aleppo. right. perfection is in the details. ♪ get to holiday fun faster with pillsbury cookie dough. humans -- sometimes life trips us up. and sometimes, we trip ourselves up, but that's okay. at liberty mutual insurance we can "untrip" you as you go through your life with personalized policies and discounts when you need them most. just call... and speak with a licensed representative about saving on your policy when you get married, move into a new house... [crash!] or add a c
her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she is still anxious, and with reason. salah was shot a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us, but i had just put my arm around her. she just 4 years old blinks hard. yes, she ended up drenched from her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me...
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stockpiles as a matter of great concern and president obama has been warning of consequences if al assad makes what mr. obama calls the tragic mistake of using chemical weapons. former british prime minister tony blair voiced his concerns earlier on cnn. >> i mean now the death toll probably would be around 40,000, since this began, since a large number of people. but if there was any sense at all that assad was going to use chemical weapons or did use chemical weapons against his own people i expect a tough response that would be military. >> and nato is taking no chances by trying to protect one of its members, alliance expected to authorize deployment of operate out missiles to turkey's border with syria. i want to bring in cnn's ivan watson joining us istanbul in turkey. the turkish government asked for nato's help after the syrian government was shelling near the border and coming across inside turkey, one memorable occasion. do these missiles perhaps border tensions or the deterrent that nato claims? they're defense everybody not offensive? >> reporter: if you talk to the turkish g
stockpiles as a matter of great concern and president obama has been warning of consequences if al assad makes what mr. obama calls the tragic mistake of using chemical weapons. former british prime minister tony blair voiced his concerns earlier on cnn. >> i mean now the death toll probably would be around 40,000, since this began, since a large number of people. but if there was any sense at all that assad was going to use chemical weapons or did use chemical weapons against his own...
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if rebels can capture the airport, it would be a severe blow to the assad regem. all that as they march toward 40,000. >> accused of passing thousands of classified government documents to wikileaks. bradley manning is back in court today. yesterday, he testified he's been treated harshly while in military custody. the defense requested the hearing to ask that the charges against him be dismissed. >>> mitt romney and president obama promising to stay in touch. the formal rivals spent an hour discussing ideas to. a source tells cnn there's no discussion for a roll for romney in the obama administration. just a civil lunch. >>> a truck goes into a bar -- no, this is not the set up to a joke, folks. take a look at the result. police say the driver of a snap-on tools truck lost control, knocked off a fire hydrant and crashed through a place called pete's cocktails. it left an 11-foot wide hole in the wall. you can see water rocketing into the air. the good news is everyone was okay. >>> after sandy, a stroke of luck for a man affected by the superstorm. joel was headi
if rebels can capture the airport, it would be a severe blow to the assad regem. all that as they march toward 40,000. >> accused of passing thousands of classified government documents to wikileaks. bradley manning is back in court today. yesterday, he testified he's been treated harshly while in military custody. the defense requested the hearing to ask that the charges against him be dismissed. >>> mitt romney and president obama promising to stay in touch. the formal rivals...
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you have bashar al assad using his air force against his own people. you have 40,000 dead by united nations estimate when the real numbers are much, much higher. and you have the disintegration of syria and talk about recognizing this new national coalition in syria. it tells you about the ab jex to this, the lead on this issue, who really ran out the clock on the syrians is none other than secretary of state hillary clinton. >> should the united states be providing arms at this point? or is that just too far? >> well, i think we have to provide arm. it's amazing. we keep complaining there are jihadists in syria. we keep complaining maybe these people will have anti-aircraft missiles. but we don't talk about what the violence inflicted on the syrian people. i think it's way late in the hour. and i think we owe it to the syrians to be truthful with them. and we owe it to ourselves to recognize a genuine humanitarian disaster in syria. >> fouad ajami, always good to see you in "the situation room." >> thank you, joe. >>> the u.s. is rapidly approaching t
you have bashar al assad using his air force against his own people. you have 40,000 dead by united nations estimate when the real numbers are much, much higher. and you have the disintegration of syria and talk about recognizing this new national coalition in syria. it tells you about the ab jex to this, the lead on this issue, who really ran out the clock on the syrians is none other than secretary of state hillary clinton. >> should the united states be providing arms at this point? or...